Comments on: Are HR People Terrified of Empoyee Friendly Legislation? http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/ Life between the brackets Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:42:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Twitter Trackbacks for Are HR People Terrified of Empoyee Friendly Legislation? | YourHRGuy.com [yourhrguy.com] on Topsy.com http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1160 Twitter Trackbacks for Are HR People Terrified of Empoyee Friendly Legislation? | YourHRGuy.com [yourhrguy.com] on Topsy.com Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:39:49 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1160 [...] Are HR People Terrified of Empoyee Friendly Legislation? | YourHRGuy.com www.yourhrguy.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation – view page – cached I talk about a lot of things on this blog but I rarely touch on legislative issues that will be impacting our trade. I keep myself well informed but most people — From the page [...] [...] Are HR People Terrified of Empoyee Friendly Legislation? | YourHRGuy.com http://www.yourhrguy.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation – view page – cached I talk about a lot of things on this blog but I rarely touch on legislative issues that will be impacting our trade. I keep myself well informed but most people — From the page [...]

]]> By: HR Blog Quest 365.11 « the Maine HR Cafe http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1135 HR Blog Quest 365.11 « the Maine HR Cafe Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:40:10 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1135 [...] and I crossed horns and words recently over the EFCA. He is very opened mind about it, even calling me out when it is obvious I skipped over a key [...] [...] and I crossed horns and words recently over the EFCA. He is very opened mind about it, even calling me out when it is obvious I skipped over a key [...]

]]> By: Sometimes Being Oh So Right Is So Very Wrong | YourHRGuy.com http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1145 Sometimes Being Oh So Right Is So Very Wrong | YourHRGuy.com Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:52:46 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1145 [...] reminded me of the ever-present Mr. Right was my post earlier this week about how HR people are terrified of employee friendly legislation. What I intended to post was an example of how HR people are often reactionary to new legislation, [...] [...] reminded me of the ever-present Mr. Right was my post earlier this week about how HR people are terrified of employee friendly legislation. What I intended to post was an example of how HR people are often reactionary to new legislation, [...]

]]> By: HRM Today - Blog Archive » Lilly Ledbetter, Fair Pay, and Stephen Colbert http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1136 HRM Today - Blog Archive » Lilly Ledbetter, Fair Pay, and Stephen Colbert Fri, 06 Feb 2009 05:43:48 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1136 [...] although some HR writers are arguing that it’s the end of the world as we know it. Check out Lance’s blog for more information on how to be a decent HR professional and focus on the things that matter — [...] [...] although some HR writers are arguing that it’s the end of the world as we know it. Check out Lance’s blog for more information on how to be a decent HR professional and focus on the things that matter — [...]

]]> By: Lance Haun http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1139 Lance Haun Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:56:10 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1139 Mark summarized the conversation pretty well. Let's see where we go from here. I hear no action will be taken until at least late spring on this legislation. Mark summarized the conversation pretty well. Let’s see where we go from here. I hear no action will be taken until at least late spring on this legislation.

]]> By: Mark Stelzner http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1137 Mark Stelzner Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:30:48 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1137 Well, well. Apparently I'm very late to what has amounted to a fantastic post and interesting comment debate. Sorry I was otherwise occupied as I love a good and healthy discussion. Let me try and summarize what I think everyone is trying to say. (This is for my own benefit since I can be dense at times.) 1) We all agree EFCA is awful. 2) We believe it should not pass and are voicing opinions as to both the seen (and unseen) effects of such legislation. 3) We shouldn't give up the fight and acquiesce to the inevitability of its passing. 4) We should be doing more as employers to demonstrate value as a countervailing force to the EFCA wind. 5) We're all on the same team, but that team shouldn't be named "Apathy" or "Aggression" or "Unpreparedness". What's interesting is that I actually agree with what everyone has said. Instead of picking apart the flaws in one another's arguments let's recognize that we each bring a very specific perspective and set of experiences to this issue. If combined, we can continue to help one another deal with EFCA. Well, well. Apparently I’m very late to what has amounted to a fantastic post and interesting comment debate. Sorry I was otherwise occupied as I love a good and healthy discussion.

Let me try and summarize what I think everyone is trying to say. (This is for my own benefit since I can be dense at times.)

1) We all agree EFCA is awful.
2) We believe it should not pass and are voicing opinions as to both the seen (and unseen) effects of such legislation.
3) We shouldn’t give up the fight and acquiesce to the inevitability of its passing.
4) We should be doing more as employers to demonstrate value as a countervailing force to the EFCA wind.
5) We’re all on the same team, but that team shouldn’t be named “Apathy” or “Aggression” or “Unpreparedness”.

What’s interesting is that I actually agree with what everyone has said. Instead of picking apart the flaws in one another’s arguments let’s recognize that we each bring a very specific perspective and set of experiences to this issue. If combined, we can continue to help one another deal with EFCA.

]]> By: Pat http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1141 Pat Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:40:47 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1141 Lance, you have to admit you have an intelligent (or at least passionate) readership. I completely agree that being a good employer reduces the chance that your workforce will organize, but the risks of coercive organizing tactics, unsupervised campaigns and enforced arbitration are just bad legislation that we all need to oppose. Kudos to you Lance for having voiced your concerns to your elected representatives .... how about the rest of us??? Are you willing to throw the dice that you wont be adversely impacted by the EFCA just because you treat your employees well? Lance, you have to admit you have an intelligent (or at least passionate) readership. I completely agree that being a good employer reduces the chance that your workforce will organize, but the risks of coercive organizing tactics, unsupervised campaigns and enforced arbitration are just bad legislation that we all need to oppose. Kudos to you Lance for having voiced your concerns to your elected representatives …. how about the rest of us??? Are you willing to throw the dice that you wont be adversely impacted by the EFCA just because you treat your employees well?

]]> By: Wayne Musick SPHR http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1140 Wayne Musick SPHR Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:07:49 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1140 Lance - I agree with your line of thinking. Everyone is so scared of EFCA - bottom line is MOST companies that get unions deserve them. If you are a good employer now you've got nothing to worry about in the future. Everyone is afraid that union thugs will come in and force people to sign cards - if that were the case there would be a hell of a lot more elections going on now. The election process now only serves to give management 6 weeks to canvass their employees to find out "what's wrong", to get their employment lawyers in to train their supervisors on how to treat employees, and then to beg forgiveness and ask for another chance in their 25th hour speech. Those companies that treat their employees like crap may have more to worry about - those that don't - won't. Lance – I agree with your line of thinking. Everyone is so scared of EFCA – bottom line is MOST companies that get unions deserve them. If you are a good employer now you’ve got nothing to worry about in the future. Everyone is afraid that union thugs will come in and force people to sign cards – if that were the case there would be a hell of a lot more elections going on now. The election process now only serves to give management 6 weeks to canvass their employees to find out “what’s wrong”, to get their employment lawyers in to train their supervisors on how to treat employees, and then to beg forgiveness and ask for another chance in their 25th hour speech. Those companies that treat their employees like crap may have more to worry about – those that don’t – won’t.

]]> By: Michael Haberman, SPHR http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1142 Michael Haberman, SPHR Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:04:33 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1142 Lance: Point well taken. I will see if I can change some focus and over a bit more constructive advice. Lance:
Point well taken. I will see if I can change some focus and over a bit more constructive advice.

]]> By: HR Fan http://lancehaun.com/are-hr-people-terrified-of-empoyee-friendly-legislation/#comment-1146 HR Fan Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:50:43 +0000 http://www.yourhrguy.com/?p=625#comment-1146 I'll take an "L" Pat. I’ll take an “L” Pat.

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