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		<title>By: QubeHrm</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/being-overqualified-is-a-crappy-way-to-tell-someone-no/#comment-4803</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 11:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Dash. There is nothing as such as you are overqualified. It&#039;s just a cranky reason given by the Hr to not to hire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Dash. There is nothing as such as you are overqualified. It&#8217;s just a cranky reason given by the Hr to not to hire.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/being-overqualified-is-a-crappy-way-to-tell-someone-no/#comment-4670</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as overqualified.  In this day and age, if you hire with the expectation that someone will stay with your company, you either pay so well no one will ever pay better...OR you so arrogant you are delusional.  If you hire somone young with little experience, chances are they will leave your company within a decade.  You are GUARANTEED to be a stepping stone in most cases.

If you hire someone who is &quot;overqualified&quot; you still have that chance, the thing to determine is WHY they want to work with your company?  If you are that concerned about them simply using you, have them sign a contract negotiating the minimum amount of time they have to be with the company if they decide to work for you.

The biggest problem is that many times you have an HR department filled with people who have no idea how to do a job, and have never done the job in their life.  What they think might be needed, and what actually is needed tends to be two different things.

Take medical for example.  You have two doctors.  One has been a doctor for 15 years.  He became a department head after 8 years, and then decided to go into research.  He specialized in open heart surgery, during his research for the last four years he&#039;s discoverd better ways of surgical thread integration to lessen the impact and improve healing.  He isn&#039;t happy with the research lifestyle and wants to go back to being a doctor.  Any doctor.

The other has just finished residency and has no other experience.  He is fresh, new, and has his entire career ahead of him.

You have an opening for a general practicioner (or an easier way to say that, is the low guy on the totem pole at the Hospital ER room) during the evening and night shift.

Who do you want to hire.  Who would you want to work on you?  I&#039;d choose the first guy any day of the week.

He&#039;s overqualified, could be looking to have a foot in the door for a better position...and he&#039;s going to do a better job while he&#039;s there.

The younger guy may stick around a while longer, but have no illusions he&#039;s going to stay on that job in that shift.  It&#039;s a drain and stressful.  Plus, he&#039;s not going to be as good as the one with experience in all likelihood, no matter how much more we may like him.

I think patients would be MUCH happier to have the guy who&#039;s dealt with a ton of medical problems, had a good long career and isn&#039;t basically the guy fresh out of medical school and residency as opposed to the new guy...even if the position t ypically GOES to the new guy (or worse, someone just getting into residency)

Think that only applies to doctors and experience?

Think again.  The guy with experience SHOULD win out everytime.  The fact that they don&#039;t is one of the major problems with HR.

You want to know why MS did so well for years?  Because they didn&#039;t believe in stupid stuff like overqualified...they did tests to see if you were actually qualified or not and CHOSE the highest qualifed from those tests.  Overqualifed or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as overqualified.  In this day and age, if you hire with the expectation that someone will stay with your company, you either pay so well no one will ever pay better&#8230;OR you so arrogant you are delusional.  If you hire somone young with little experience, chances are they will leave your company within a decade.  You are GUARANTEED to be a stepping stone in most cases.</p>
<p>If you hire someone who is &#8220;overqualified&#8221; you still have that chance, the thing to determine is WHY they want to work with your company?  If you are that concerned about them simply using you, have them sign a contract negotiating the minimum amount of time they have to be with the company if they decide to work for you.</p>
<p>The biggest problem is that many times you have an HR department filled with people who have no idea how to do a job, and have never done the job in their life.  What they think might be needed, and what actually is needed tends to be two different things.</p>
<p>Take medical for example.  You have two doctors.  One has been a doctor for 15 years.  He became a department head after 8 years, and then decided to go into research.  He specialized in open heart surgery, during his research for the last four years he&#8217;s discoverd better ways of surgical thread integration to lessen the impact and improve healing.  He isn&#8217;t happy with the research lifestyle and wants to go back to being a doctor.  Any doctor.</p>
<p>The other has just finished residency and has no other experience.  He is fresh, new, and has his entire career ahead of him.</p>
<p>You have an opening for a general practicioner (or an easier way to say that, is the low guy on the totem pole at the Hospital ER room) during the evening and night shift.</p>
<p>Who do you want to hire.  Who would you want to work on you?  I&#8217;d choose the first guy any day of the week.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s overqualified, could be looking to have a foot in the door for a better position&#8230;and he&#8217;s going to do a better job while he&#8217;s there.</p>
<p>The younger guy may stick around a while longer, but have no illusions he&#8217;s going to stay on that job in that shift.  It&#8217;s a drain and stressful.  Plus, he&#8217;s not going to be as good as the one with experience in all likelihood, no matter how much more we may like him.</p>
<p>I think patients would be MUCH happier to have the guy who&#8217;s dealt with a ton of medical problems, had a good long career and isn&#8217;t basically the guy fresh out of medical school and residency as opposed to the new guy&#8230;even if the position t ypically GOES to the new guy (or worse, someone just getting into residency)</p>
<p>Think that only applies to doctors and experience?</p>
<p>Think again.  The guy with experience SHOULD win out everytime.  The fact that they don&#8217;t is one of the major problems with HR.</p>
<p>You want to know why MS did so well for years?  Because they didn&#8217;t believe in stupid stuff like overqualified&#8230;they did tests to see if you were actually qualified or not and CHOSE the highest qualifed from those tests.  Overqualifed or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under Data Protection laws in the UK, you can demand to see a potential employer&#039;s interview notes.

The trouble is an employer will never confess, or write down, the real reason why they won&#039;t employ you.

My previous employer, when looking for my replacement, for example simply went through an agency saying &#039;no thank you.&#039; What they didn&#039;t say was &#039;we know it&#039;s bad practice these days for you to put candidate age on a CV, but we worked out how old he was based on when he left school and started work. When we worked that out we put his CV in the bin&#039;  and &#039;we liked your candidate, but when we realised she had grey hair we decided she was too old for the job.&#039;

I&#039;m actually feeling guilty for not whistle blowing back then because of how the credit crunch is biting ever harder so they might be facing a lawsuit sooner or later.

When your &#039;face doesn&#039;t fit&#039; it means your more relaxed, more confident and more intelligent than the person interviewing you. Either that or the manager is a homophobe who thinks you&#039;re gay. Very occasionally it might be because they find your religion offensive and are worried you might ruin their Friday night binge drinking sessions.

The trouble is this is real life. It&#039;s not right but it&#039;s not possible to do much about either. The only way to combat it is to beat it in the market place. Most people, in my view, are appalled by ageism, racism, homophobia, religious discrimination and sexism in the workplace. The only way to defeat it is to refuse to work for that sort of culture. I can promise you even today there are plenty of companies out there, big companies in fact, who are on the right side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under Data Protection laws in the UK, you can demand to see a potential employer&#8217;s interview notes.</p>
<p>The trouble is an employer will never confess, or write down, the real reason why they won&#8217;t employ you.</p>
<p>My previous employer, when looking for my replacement, for example simply went through an agency saying &#8216;no thank you.&#8217; What they didn&#8217;t say was &#8216;we know it&#8217;s bad practice these days for you to put candidate age on a CV, but we worked out how old he was based on when he left school and started work. When we worked that out we put his CV in the bin&#8217;  and &#8216;we liked your candidate, but when we realised she had grey hair we decided she was too old for the job.&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually feeling guilty for not whistle blowing back then because of how the credit crunch is biting ever harder so they might be facing a lawsuit sooner or later.</p>
<p>When your &#8216;face doesn&#8217;t fit&#8217; it means your more relaxed, more confident and more intelligent than the person interviewing you. Either that or the manager is a homophobe who thinks you&#8217;re gay. Very occasionally it might be because they find your religion offensive and are worried you might ruin their Friday night binge drinking sessions.</p>
<p>The trouble is this is real life. It&#8217;s not right but it&#8217;s not possible to do much about either. The only way to combat it is to beat it in the market place. Most people, in my view, are appalled by ageism, racism, homophobia, religious discrimination and sexism in the workplace. The only way to defeat it is to refuse to work for that sort of culture. I can promise you even today there are plenty of companies out there, big companies in fact, who are on the right side.</p>
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		<title>By: SmartBlog on Workforce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week&#8217;s most clicked</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmartBlog on Workforce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This week&#8217;s most clicked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/being-overqualified-is-a-crappy-way-to-tell-someone-no/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a recently unemployed engineer.

I have been told that I&#039;m overqualified.

I think this equates to we don&#039;t want to hire anybody over 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a recently unemployed engineer.</p>
<p>I have been told that I&#8217;m overqualified.</p>
<p>I think this equates to we don&#8217;t want to hire anybody over 40.</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard the &quot;overqualified&quot; excuse, and I just graduated college this summer.  Is there no hope? I have had 3 years sales experience and an excellent internship, but seriously... I am entry-level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard the &#8220;overqualified&#8221; excuse, and I just graduated college this summer.  Is there no hope? I have had 3 years sales experience and an excellent internship, but seriously&#8230; I am entry-level.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Avery, Certified Career Coach</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/being-overqualified-is-a-crappy-way-to-tell-someone-no/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Avery, Certified Career Coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In certain fields there are often &#039;standardized&#039; pay scales.  Thus, someone with a PhD would have to be paid a certain rate even if they were working in a job where only an MA was required.

This practice discourages companies from even considering candidates who are &#039;over-qualifed&#039; even if they would have been willing to take a lessor salary.

So many times, &#039;policy&#039; works against both the company and the employee.  A case by case consideration would be a much better practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In certain fields there are often &#8216;standardized&#8217; pay scales.  Thus, someone with a PhD would have to be paid a certain rate even if they were working in a job where only an MA was required.</p>
<p>This practice discourages companies from even considering candidates who are &#8216;over-qualifed&#8217; even if they would have been willing to take a lessor salary.</p>
<p>So many times, &#8216;policy&#8217; works against both the company and the employee.  A case by case consideration would be a much better practice.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Greg.  I have worked in HR and am currently unemployed.  I have gotten the &quot;overqualified&quot; thing a lot!  It really hurts my feelings because I have the type of work ethic that is very dedicated to an employer no matter what level I start at.  If I have to start in a lower level position, so be it.  But my goal would not be to stay there!  It would be a never ending goal to advance my skills and knowledge so that I can move up when the opportunity presents itself.  It is unfair and disheartening when someone send me a &quot;dear John&quot; letter telling me that &quot;they&#039;ve decided to go with someone else who closely matches our current needs&quot;, when I know that I am beyond qualified to do the job!  It sucks!  Do you mean that all the years I worked hard getting an education means nothing?  Does it mean that all the years I spent sharpening my skills means nothing?  Really, someone tell me.  What is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Greg.  I have worked in HR and am currently unemployed.  I have gotten the &#8220;overqualified&#8221; thing a lot!  It really hurts my feelings because I have the type of work ethic that is very dedicated to an employer no matter what level I start at.  If I have to start in a lower level position, so be it.  But my goal would not be to stay there!  It would be a never ending goal to advance my skills and knowledge so that I can move up when the opportunity presents itself.  It is unfair and disheartening when someone send me a &#8220;dear John&#8221; letter telling me that &#8220;they&#8217;ve decided to go with someone else who closely matches our current needs&#8221;, when I know that I am beyond qualified to do the job!  It sucks!  Do you mean that all the years I worked hard getting an education means nothing?  Does it mean that all the years I spent sharpening my skills means nothing?  Really, someone tell me.  What is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took over 30 years in HR and finally volunteering to help unemployed people find employment to realize how poor a job we did in HR by not seriously considering &quot;over qualified&quot; people for our open positions.  I certainly understand Lance&#039;s comments about these people no longer being qualified but there are so many people that are &quot;over qualified&quot; and not given a chance by employers.  How about new imigrants who need that chance to have American experience, or the person returning from taking care of their child.
Are we that arrogant to believe everyone we hire will stay in the same position for ever?  Do you actually have every hire stay with you for a long time?  If you do, you are much better than I ever was.
If you can get 3-4 years from a person, give them a chance, treat them with the respect they deserve, you will find that you may have an incredibly dedicated, hard working, high performing employee that will add significant value to the department, company and customer and feel a loyalty to the company that gave them the opportunity.  So what if they find a better job in a couple of years, you had the opportunity to use that persons talent and maturity for that period of time.  In addition, that better job may be with your organization.
Regarding them taking a 30K - 40K pay cut, they are currently unemployed, so they are going from zero.  That is not a cut, it is an opportunity.
If you consider taking advice from an old retired HR guy who has worked in HR positions from front line to senior executive, don&#039;t discount these very talented people just because you think they are &quot;over qualified&quot; and won&#039;t be happy doing the work.  Make sure the candidate knows specifically what the job entails and let them know your concerns about them not being satisfied or challenged enough with the work, but if they insist and they are qualified and know what they are getting into, then give them that chance, you may be surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took over 30 years in HR and finally volunteering to help unemployed people find employment to realize how poor a job we did in HR by not seriously considering &#8220;over qualified&#8221; people for our open positions.  I certainly understand Lance&#8217;s comments about these people no longer being qualified but there are so many people that are &#8220;over qualified&#8221; and not given a chance by employers.  How about new imigrants who need that chance to have American experience, or the person returning from taking care of their child.<br />
Are we that arrogant to believe everyone we hire will stay in the same position for ever?  Do you actually have every hire stay with you for a long time?  If you do, you are much better than I ever was.<br />
If you can get 3-4 years from a person, give them a chance, treat them with the respect they deserve, you will find that you may have an incredibly dedicated, hard working, high performing employee that will add significant value to the department, company and customer and feel a loyalty to the company that gave them the opportunity.  So what if they find a better job in a couple of years, you had the opportunity to use that persons talent and maturity for that period of time.  In addition, that better job may be with your organization.<br />
Regarding them taking a 30K &#8211; 40K pay cut, they are currently unemployed, so they are going from zero.  That is not a cut, it is an opportunity.<br />
If you consider taking advice from an old retired HR guy who has worked in HR positions from front line to senior executive, don&#8217;t discount these very talented people just because you think they are &#8220;over qualified&#8221; and won&#8217;t be happy doing the work.  Make sure the candidate knows specifically what the job entails and let them know your concerns about them not being satisfied or challenged enough with the work, but if they insist and they are qualified and know what they are getting into, then give them that chance, you may be surprised.</p>
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