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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/is-becoming-phr-or-sphr-certified-critical/#comment-3483</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 21:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been a lot of great comments.  One however, that I feel is missing is that as an HR Manager, Director or VP it shows your staff that you too are committed to continual learning.  I obtained both my MBA and SPHR after 10 years in the field, this has helped differentiate me in my career (I moved from a Generalist to a Sr. Generalist to a Manager to a Director), I believe more importantly the SPHR has kept me grounded in offering HR educational opportunities for the staff that report to me.  In order to be a business partner, I believe one must continually be learning, adapting and growing.  Forcing yourself to take 60 continuing Ed credits every three years and encouraging your staff to do it as well, keeps a high level HR executive grounded in what is happening below the clouds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a lot of great comments.  One however, that I feel is missing is that as an HR Manager, Director or VP it shows your staff that you too are committed to continual learning.  I obtained both my MBA and SPHR after 10 years in the field, this has helped differentiate me in my career (I moved from a Generalist to a Sr. Generalist to a Manager to a Director), I believe more importantly the SPHR has kept me grounded in offering HR educational opportunities for the staff that report to me.  In order to be a business partner, I believe one must continually be learning, adapting and growing.  Forcing yourself to take 60 continuing Ed credits every three years and encouraging your staff to do it as well, keeps a high level HR executive grounded in what is happening below the clouds.</p>
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		<title>By: E-Man</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/is-becoming-phr-or-sphr-certified-critical/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>E-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ve read all the posts and have to say my answer is B.  As, like many others, I fell into the HR realm and fell in love with it.  I have a passion for this career of mine as an HR professional.  I have a little over 9 years experience with most of my time within employee relations, and have taken the PHR exam twice and did not pass the test.  Mind you neither of the jobs I was in when I took the exam required the certification as much as it was preferred.

I do question the validity of this exam as I also know a friend who just took the SPHR exam and passed it!  Mind you this individual has zero HR experience!  So my question is, what&#039;s the real reason this PHR/SPHR exam was created?  To prove your know the &quot;body of knowledge&quot; that indicates you are well versed in HR, or to learn what you need to learn to sit for four hours and succeed?

With regards to getting off the couch and somewhat being forced to continue learning more and more about your career field, how much more can one learn from a book or class to be considered the best of the best?

I for one, will not take the exam again, as I truly do not believe the PHR/SPHR sets me apart from other professionals who do have the certification.  I would really hate to think SHRM or HRCI truly believes those who have certification are better professionals than those who just have the experience.  I would really like to see the data/results of who passed and who hasn&#039;t and how their formal education correlates to the success/failure rate.  For instance, who passed with a master degree, who passed with a bachelor and how many years of experience in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ve read all the posts and have to say my answer is B.  As, like many others, I fell into the HR realm and fell in love with it.  I have a passion for this career of mine as an HR professional.  I have a little over 9 years experience with most of my time within employee relations, and have taken the PHR exam twice and did not pass the test.  Mind you neither of the jobs I was in when I took the exam required the certification as much as it was preferred.</p>
<p>I do question the validity of this exam as I also know a friend who just took the SPHR exam and passed it!  Mind you this individual has zero HR experience!  So my question is, what&#8217;s the real reason this PHR/SPHR exam was created?  To prove your know the &#8220;body of knowledge&#8221; that indicates you are well versed in HR, or to learn what you need to learn to sit for four hours and succeed?</p>
<p>With regards to getting off the couch and somewhat being forced to continue learning more and more about your career field, how much more can one learn from a book or class to be considered the best of the best?</p>
<p>I for one, will not take the exam again, as I truly do not believe the PHR/SPHR sets me apart from other professionals who do have the certification.  I would really hate to think SHRM or HRCI truly believes those who have certification are better professionals than those who just have the experience.  I would really like to see the data/results of who passed and who hasn&#8217;t and how their formal education correlates to the success/failure rate.  For instance, who passed with a master degree, who passed with a bachelor and how many years of experience in the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/is-becoming-phr-or-sphr-certified-critical/#comment-2012</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s just one more step, just like a lawyer passing a bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s just one more step, just like a lawyer passing a bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich DeMatteo</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/is-becoming-phr-or-sphr-certified-critical/#comment-2011</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich DeMatteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Leanne - A lot of people agree with your perspective.  Also, probably what I learned most was surrounding legislation.  This is where it may definitely help in gov&#039;t

@chris - Yep, can you believe it?  It&#039;s a strong HR program here in Philly, and &#039;Nova is a great school, but I was lucky enough to have 4 years of experience.  Many of the young bucks are coming in straight from undegrad and finish the program in a year and a half.  All of my recruiting has been in staffing/recruiting so I really did need to learn a lot of the information.

Thanks for the nice words.  Really appreciate that, and glad we have connected</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Leanne &#8211; A lot of people agree with your perspective.  Also, probably what I learned most was surrounding legislation.  This is where it may definitely help in gov&#8217;t</p>
<p>@chris &#8211; Yep, can you believe it?  It&#8217;s a strong HR program here in Philly, and &#8216;Nova is a great school, but I was lucky enough to have 4 years of experience.  Many of the young bucks are coming in straight from undegrad and finish the program in a year and a half.  All of my recruiting has been in staffing/recruiting so I really did need to learn a lot of the information.</p>
<p>Thanks for the nice words.  Really appreciate that, and glad we have connected</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/is-becoming-phr-or-sphr-certified-critical/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They actually forced you to take it?? That&#039;s ridiculous!

And from what I&#039;ve heard, people who have their PHR do often feel as though more opportunities open up for them. I just can&#039;t justify giving SHRM any more of my hard earned money because they still have a monopoly of thought on far too many HR professionals.

As an aside - I love your writing style! I&#039;m glad you wrote this guest post - I&#039;m not sure I would have found your blog otherwise.

Cheers!

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They actually forced you to take it?? That&#8217;s ridiculous!</p>
<p>And from what I&#8217;ve heard, people who have their PHR do often feel as though more opportunities open up for them. I just can&#8217;t justify giving SHRM any more of my hard earned money because they still have a monopoly of thought on far too many HR professionals.</p>
<p>As an aside &#8211; I love your writing style! I&#8217;m glad you wrote this guest post &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure I would have found your blog otherwise.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Rich DeMatteo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich DeMatteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - thanks for your harsh, and real comment.  Mr. Ben Eubanks was just telling me how nice of a guy you were, and then you blast me.  But, I actually do enjoy the comment and I&#039;m glad you shared your real opinion.

I was forced to pass the PHR.  Without passing, I wouldn&#039;t be permitted to graduate from Villanovas Human Resources Development Masters program.  If you knew what I paid to prepare/pass the test you&#039;d vomit all over your own face.

The point of this post was to discuss some critical points to it, and how it can help someone.  Many successful HR folks don&#039;t need this cert, but apparently I was told I DID need it.

Please, carry on your life without the cert.  If I wasn&#039;t forced to go through with it, I&#039;m not sure if/when I would have decided to take it.

Thanks again for the comment :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; thanks for your harsh, and real comment.  Mr. Ben Eubanks was just telling me how nice of a guy you were, and then you blast me.  But, I actually do enjoy the comment and I&#8217;m glad you shared your real opinion.</p>
<p>I was forced to pass the PHR.  Without passing, I wouldn&#8217;t be permitted to graduate from Villanovas Human Resources Development Masters program.  If you knew what I paid to prepare/pass the test you&#8217;d vomit all over your own face.</p>
<p>The point of this post was to discuss some critical points to it, and how it can help someone.  Many successful HR folks don&#8217;t need this cert, but apparently I was told I DID need it.</p>
<p>Please, carry on your life without the cert.  If I wasn&#8217;t forced to go through with it, I&#8217;m not sure if/when I would have decided to take it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comment <img src='http://cdn.lancehaun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Rich DeMatteo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich DeMatteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - thanks for your harsh, and real comment.  Mr. Ben Eubanks was just telling me how nice of a guy you were, and then you blast me.  But, I actually do enjoy the comment and I&#039;m glad you shared your real opinion.

I was forced to pass the PHR.  Without passing, I wouldn&#039;t be permitted to graduate from Villanovas Human Resources Development Masters program.  If you knew what I paid to prepare/pass the test you&#039;d vomit all over your own face.

The mere point of this post was to discuss some critical points to it, and how it can help someone.  Many successful HR folks don&#039;t need this cert, but apparently I was told I DID need it.

Please, carry on your life without the cert.  If I wasn&#039;t forced to go through with it, I&#039;m not sure if/when I would have decided to take it.

Thanks again for the comment :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; thanks for your harsh, and real comment.  Mr. Ben Eubanks was just telling me how nice of a guy you were, and then you blast me.  But, I actually do enjoy the comment and I&#8217;m glad you shared your real opinion.</p>
<p>I was forced to pass the PHR.  Without passing, I wouldn&#8217;t be permitted to graduate from Villanovas Human Resources Development Masters program.  If you knew what I paid to prepare/pass the test you&#8217;d vomit all over your own face.</p>
<p>The mere point of this post was to discuss some critical points to it, and how it can help someone.  Many successful HR folks don&#8217;t need this cert, but apparently I was told I DID need it.</p>
<p>Please, carry on your life without the cert.  If I wasn&#8217;t forced to go through with it, I&#8217;m not sure if/when I would have decided to take it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comment <img src='http://cdn.lancehaun.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Rich,

If I&#039;m understanding you right, someone should give SHRM their hard-earned money and study rigorously for a test just so they can tack a few letters after their name and increase their likelihood of getting hired?

And to keep those fancy letters, they need to give SHRM &lt;b&gt;more&lt;/b&gt; of their money every few years to stay certified? &lt;b&gt;I&#039;m not buying it!&lt;/b&gt;

I get the reality: Some people value the letters tacked after the name. But a lot of people also value blindly following the crowd. That doesn&#039;t make doing so a good business decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Rich,</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m understanding you right, someone should give SHRM their hard-earned money and study rigorously for a test just so they can tack a few letters after their name and increase their likelihood of getting hired?</p>
<p>And to keep those fancy letters, they need to give SHRM <b>more</b> of their money every few years to stay certified? <b>I&#8217;m not buying it!</b></p>
<p>I get the reality: Some people value the letters tacked after the name. But a lot of people also value blindly following the crowd. That doesn&#8217;t make doing so a good business decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Leanne Chase</title>
		<link>http://lancehaun.com/is-becoming-phr-or-sphr-certified-critical/#comment-2006</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanne Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting discussion but I have to say...I don&#039;t know many outside of HR who know or care what SPHR or PHR even stands for or means...other than that you are probably a member of SHRM and took one of their courses.

I think perhaps in gov&#039;t or recruiting with lots of regulations that may not be true - but having marketed &amp; sold into the HR/recruiting industry for 6 years now...it&#039;s a language I and many I know simply don&#039;t speak or understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion but I have to say&#8230;I don&#8217;t know many outside of HR who know or care what SPHR or PHR even stands for or means&#8230;other than that you are probably a member of SHRM and took one of their courses.</p>
<p>I think perhaps in gov&#8217;t or recruiting with lots of regulations that may not be true &#8211; but having marketed &amp; sold into the HR/recruiting industry for 6 years now&#8230;it&#8217;s a language I and many I know simply don&#8217;t speak or understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich DeMatteo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich DeMatteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, thanks for adding your thoughts.  In the end, if it works for you, and you are happy then that&#039;s all there is to it.   Many HR pro&#039;s will chose it&#039;s not for them, and that is their choice.  I was forced to take it, I had no choice.  I&#039;m not sure which route I would have gone, but I am happy it&#039;s over.

The idea of having to recertify kind of bugs me.  I guess in a couple years I may have to do that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, thanks for adding your thoughts.  In the end, if it works for you, and you are happy then that&#8217;s all there is to it.   Many HR pro&#8217;s will chose it&#8217;s not for them, and that is their choice.  I was forced to take it, I had no choice.  I&#8217;m not sure which route I would have gone, but I am happy it&#8217;s over.</p>
<p>The idea of having to recertify kind of bugs me.  I guess in a couple years I may have to do that as well.</p>
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